Comments on: Follower Defaults and Leader Absurdities http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:48:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Floyd Baker http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1671 Floyd Baker Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:35:24 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1671 For some it's just a dance. For others it's a way of life. And still others it's a way to make money... And so every group's opinion of Tango is meaningless to the others. Never over-think... Simplify... To what Tango was meant to be. Ciao... (Yes, I know that's Italian. lol) Floyd For some it’s just a dance.

For others it’s a way of life.

And still others it’s a way to make money…

And so every group’s opinion of Tango is meaningless to the others.

Never over-think… Simplify… To what Tango was meant to be.

Ciao… (Yes, I know that’s Italian. lol)

Floyd

]]> By: Jacinto Cruz http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1670 Jacinto Cruz Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:01:57 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1670 You are overthinking the whole thing. Just Dance the Tango. Get a tan and go! At the end of the day, it's just a dance. LOL. You are overthinking the whole thing. Just Dance the Tango. Get a tan and go! At the end of the day, it’s just a dance. LOL.

]]> By: Floyd Baker http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1665 Floyd Baker Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:14:50 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1665 Hello Anne... I know you know that's what I say in my online writing and how I have thought since early on. Followers are invited to take the 'leads' the leader has in mind. And they take them their way.., or perhaps not at all. It's their job too.., to look Tango lovely.., and to put their heart into making it happen. Then the leader follows... :-) Abrazos... Hello Anne…

I know you know that’s what I say in my online writing and how I have thought since early on. Followers are invited to take the ‘leads’ the leader has in mind. And they take them their way.., or perhaps not at all. It’s their job too.., to look Tango lovely.., and to put their heart into making it happen.

Then the leader follows… :-)

Abrazos…

]]> By: Anne Atheling http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1664 Anne Atheling Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:21:39 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1664 To all, the missing term is "invitation"...and ALL leads in any form of couple dancing are, appropriately - "invitations"... To all, the missing term is “invitation”…and ALL leads in any form of couple dancing are, appropriately – “invitations”…

]]> By: Floyd Baker http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1639 Floyd Baker Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:33:49 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1639 I tell all my students at the start. Some will love it.., some will 'hate' it. Or more precisely.., some will not 'get it'... Tango is not for everyone. I go so far as to say it is 'not a real dance'... It is what you have described above. You have said it well... Floyd I tell all my students at the start. Some will love it.., some will ‘hate’ it.
Or more precisely.., some will not ‘get it’… Tango is not for everyone.

I go so far as to say it is ‘not a real dance’…
It is what you have described above.

You have said it well…

Floyd

]]> By: Floyd Baker http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1638 Floyd Baker Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:23:27 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1638 Alberto... Gracias por mi muchas dosis. :-) Mucho respeto.... Floyd Alberto…
Gracias por mi muchas dosis. :-)
Mucho respeto….
Floyd

]]> By: Alberto Paz http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1631 Alberto Paz Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:22:48 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1631 I respect people with strong opinions because I expect them to take a bout of reality standing up and benefit from the experience. I invite you to find out why the use of "leaders" and "followers" are foreign to the essence of the Argentine tango. http://gottatango.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/to-hug-or-not-to-hug/ I respect people with strong opinions because I expect them to take a bout of reality standing up and benefit from the experience.
I invite you to find out why the use of “leaders” and “followers” are foreign to the essence of the Argentine tango.

http://gottatango.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/to-hug-or-not-to-hug/

]]> By: Jonsie http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1630 Jonsie Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:13:57 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1630 Dancing is ethereal. It happens in the moment and then is gone forever. There is no analysis, there is only the dance. One cannot "teach" the tango nor "learn" it. You either get it or you don't. It's like the blues, you either got em or you don't. It all comes from the sole anyway, and even the Greeks couldn't agree on what THAT was! The argument of who is "more important", "who does more work", leader or follower, is ludicrous. Dancing the tango is not "work", it's a joyous expression of being human. There are certain truisms in the world, and one of them is "it takes TWO to tango". Two hearts, two soles, two bodies, coming together in perfect harmony ( if they're lucky) to create something which, for the moment, is unique and perfect in its mutual expression of love... and then it is gone. Someone once said that art is the attempt to express that which cannot be expressed with words. And so it is with tango. If both hearts are open and honest, for that moment they are enjoined, they can both express themselves, AS themselves, and in doing so create a thing of simple beauty, not for anyone else but for each other. If someone else happens to be looking and is moved by what they see, then they should feel lucky. Anyone trying to analyze the tango would be better served trying to analyze their stock portfolio instead! Who would presume to be so pompous or audacious as to try to explain what the tango is or isn't? I have been dancing for over ten years, there is one thing I DO know about tango, and that is that I don't a damn thing about it. I only know what I feel when I hear the music, and with a woman in my arms, and get lost in the moment. If I am lucky, we melt, and strike a perfect chord. And when it is over, I can thank her and walk away satisfied, and hopefully she does too. Like the surfer who waits for the perfect wave, so it is with the tanguero or tanguera. Always looking for that one perfect dance,,,,, that perfect combination of elements which allow for the perfect expression of that which cannot be expressed with words................. follower or leader?? who cares?? what difference does it make?? to quote a phrase..." just do it" . Dancing is ethereal. It happens in the moment and then is gone forever. There is no analysis, there is only the dance. One cannot “teach” the tango nor “learn” it. You either get it or you don’t. It’s like the blues, you either got em or you don’t. It all comes from the sole anyway, and even the Greeks couldn’t agree on what THAT was! The argument of who is “more important”, “who does more work”, leader or follower, is ludicrous. Dancing the tango is not “work”, it’s a joyous expression of being human. There are certain truisms in the world, and one of them is “it takes TWO to tango”. Two hearts, two soles, two bodies, coming together in perfect harmony ( if they’re lucky) to create something which, for the moment, is unique and perfect in its mutual expression of love… and then it is gone. Someone once said that art is the attempt to express that which cannot be expressed with words. And so it is with tango. If both hearts are open and honest, for that moment they are enjoined, they can both express themselves, AS themselves, and in doing so create a thing of simple beauty, not for anyone else but for each other. If someone else happens to be looking and is moved by what they see, then they should feel lucky. Anyone trying to analyze the tango would be better served trying to analyze their stock portfolio instead! Who would presume to be so pompous or audacious as to try to explain what the tango is or isn’t? I have been dancing for over ten years, there is one thing I DO know about tango, and that is that I don’t a damn thing about it. I only know what I feel when I hear the music, and with a woman in my arms, and get lost in the moment. If I am lucky, we melt, and strike a perfect chord. And when it is over, I can thank her and walk away satisfied, and hopefully she does too. Like the surfer who waits for the perfect wave, so it is with the tanguero or tanguera. Always looking for that one perfect dance,,,,, that perfect combination of elements which allow for the perfect expression of that which cannot be expressed with words…………….. follower or leader?? who cares?? what difference does it make?? to quote a phrase…” just do it” .

]]> By: Floyd Baker http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1613 Floyd Baker Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:58:44 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1613 If you would read any of my how to Tango chapters, you would see I have things as they should be... That leader and follower are equals... That the leader does not employ power or force... It's easy to stand on the sidelines and downplay people as 'zealots' as a negative innuendo, but quite another to nail down as wrong anything they say. You should try that with what I have for all to see... Have you learned Argentine Tango from a ballroom instructor too..? And of course as you say you are not a fan of Tango.., so your opinions on it will be uncaring... It will be easy for you to accept anything that anyone says.., not caring if it is wrong... As long as it 'sounds' good... As I said.., we now have 'American Argentine Tango'... Next time you walk down the street.., watch your 'move'. You may 'move' into a puddle or pothole... haha... Abrazos... Floyd If you would read any of my how to Tango chapters, you would see I have things as they should be… That leader and follower are equals… That the leader does not employ power or force… It’s easy to stand on the sidelines and downplay people as ‘zealots’ as a negative innuendo, but quite another to nail down as wrong anything they say. You should try that with what I have for all to see…

Have you learned Argentine Tango from a ballroom instructor too..? And of course as you say you are not a fan of Tango.., so your opinions on it will be uncaring… It will be easy for you to accept anything that anyone says.., not caring if it is wrong… As long as it ’sounds’ good…

As I said.., we now have ‘American Argentine Tango’…

Next time you walk down the street.., watch your ‘move’. You may ‘move’ into a puddle or pothole… haha…

Abrazos…

Floyd

]]> By: Aaron Ferguson http://www.tango-blog.com/tango-talk/follower-defaults-and-leader-absurdities/comment-page-1#comment-1612 Aaron Ferguson Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:13:42 +0000 http://www.tango-blog.com/?p=1720#comment-1612 This is said as being an invitation. Not a FORCE of will. Yet the problem with most people i have seen, Is the bounds of "steps" that control them. The leader is just as important as the follower, in all aspects. I like your "moves" therom. It is concise, and clear. But perhaps the emotion of the dance is the part that will lead to better dancers, both leaders and followers. I have also found the fans of Argentine Tango, to be zealots, and fanatical about the dance. Same goes with most w.c. swingers. So i will place the opinions of those fanatics in the same catagory as anyother fanatic. I hope you take this same approach to all dances, and not just this one. You can replace the specific names of this dance, and its moves with anyother, and still be correct. This is said as being an invitation. Not a FORCE of will. Yet the problem with most people i have seen, Is the bounds of “steps” that control them.
The leader is just as important as the follower, in all aspects.
I like your “moves” therom. It is concise, and clear. But perhaps the emotion of the dance is the part that will lead to better dancers, both leaders and followers.
I have also found the fans of Argentine Tango, to be zealots, and fanatical about the dance. Same goes with most w.c. swingers. So i will place the opinions of those fanatics in the same catagory as anyother fanatic.
I hope you take this same approach to all dances, and not just this one. You can replace the specific names of this dance, and its moves with anyother, and still be correct.

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